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𝚗𝚊𝚗𝚘𝚞˙ᵕ˙'s avatar

some of your points are valid—but let’s be honest: you’re blaming the very women you claim to be concerned for. it might not be obvious to everyone, because you’ve wrapped your critique in shared cultural anxiety and spiritual language. but the misogyny is clear. the disgust isn’t directed at systems—it’s aimed at girls. and i see through it, Dr. Roger McFillin.

i might write a critique of your critique—because women need to understand how easily we’re conditioned to trust voices that sound protective, but are rigged against us no matter what we do. even your concern is laced with contempt. and that tells me everything.

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Chronic Love's avatar

100% this is just purity culture wrapped in a face of care. Alex is not celebrating women getting STD’s, she is retaliating against a culture that shames women for catching one. Same with reframing and empowering people with a diagnosis. Suicide rates are higher than ever, yet he is concerned people are seeking awareness about mental health and SSRI treatment?

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John Adair's avatar

Oh thank God, I thought I was going to have to spell it out for him. 🙏🏾

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Ash Baker's avatar

Came to say this! Crazy idea but what if the women are having sex for their own pleasure and not someone else’s? I can accept the critique of the content for young girls but every other sentence about it is giving purity culture vibes - maybe we wouldn’t need influencers like Alex if old men would stop telling us what to do with our bodies

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Guys like Roger model their arguments after the "original sin" bullshit they tell us about Adam and Eve... Eve is "duplicitous" for convincing Adam to eat the apple, and somehow Adam has zero culpability for making the final decision to eat it his own damn self.

Did you catch how he didn't quote Alex Cooper a single time in this long-ass article, when most of it is supposedly a reaction to problems Alex allegedly personifies? It's because if he did quote her, his slut-shaming "purity culture" nonsense would sound hysterical and over-dramaticto the average reader.

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Ray Knew's avatar

I'm glad someone called that part out. I knew it was a man before he did the whole "as a father of daughters" speil

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𝚗𝚊𝚗𝚘𝚞˙ᵕ˙'s avatar

so real, the title and cover image choice, combined with the casual disclaimer of «i have a wife btw. and married men are totally not creeps» told way more than the rest of his essay did lol

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Elizabeth Edens's avatar

That is not what I took from this at all and I am a woman who is pretty sensitive to this phenomenon. We women aren’t helpless to what we choose to consume. If mothers are taking their daughters to this show they are absolutely complicit in encouraging their daughters to consume this

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𝚗𝚊𝚗𝚘𝚞˙ᵕ˙'s avatar

you’re exactly who these men go for. you do you though because rather your gullible ahh than me🫶

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Lee's avatar

I understand that the line between accountability and blame is not always clear. But I would encourage you to look more closely under the hood of the essay’s argument. I don’t doubt your sensitivity, but this brand of misogyny is like air. What we live inside becomes invisible — a case of “does a fish know water?”

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Elizabeth Edens's avatar

This is calling for people to have more care and control. In this instance, yes the examples are women… but all people should have more control than we have let ourselves. There was a time when I too would have said “ugh man being critical of woman= mysogeny” but that is a very shallow, accountability dodging read of this essay in my opinion.

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Lee's avatar

Respectfully I disagree. And I believe the misogyny lies exactly in the place where “care” and “control” become confused. If you are curious about my full take on this essay, one that is fleshed out and not shallow, I have a very long comment in this comment section.

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TWC's avatar

Accountability is not blame, dear.

And the rest of the braindead female responses here? Meh...

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𝚗𝚊𝚗𝚘𝚞˙ᵕ˙'s avatar

say you’re misogynistic and go. because starting a debate (or whatever you call that response of yours) with me won’t read well :)

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TWC's avatar

I already gave u all u need: accountability. But keep on unpacking those truths, gurrll

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𝚗𝚊𝚗𝚘𝚞˙ᵕ˙'s avatar

nothing says “i lost” like sarcasm in place of substance. but thanks for playing.

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TWC's avatar

nanou says with a heavy dose of sarcasm. but its all lowercase...so we know its brimming with 'substance'.

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𝚗𝚊𝚗𝚘𝚞˙ᵕ˙'s avatar

no no—keep going. i want to see how many straws you’ll reach for just to convince yourself you mattered in this conversation.

maybe my shoe size?

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TWC's avatar

Ahh..the m word…another self-terminating cliche that means nothing.

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𝚗𝚊𝚗𝚘𝚞˙ᵕ˙'s avatar

give me something that makes sense. because untill then? yes wear your misogyny like a flag.

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Galina Perekrestova's avatar

Alex Cooper is a grown woman, not a girl. the mothers with their children at a sexually explicit show cheering for STDs are also grown women, not girls. Dr. Roger McFillin was not critiquing the children in the situation but the adults.

why are you reducing grown women to girls?

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𝚗𝚊𝚗𝚘𝚞˙ᵕ˙'s avatar

the only person reducing anyone here is the man who can’t talk about women without bringing up STDs and trauma like they’re proof of moral collapse. your concern for “proper framing” is noted and rejected.

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Galina Perekrestova's avatar

critiquing someones behavior is not reducing them to that behavior.

You are calling adults children. why? what is the point in taking away a woman's agency in her own behavior by calling her a girl? A girl, a child, an adolescent, its the infantilizing adult women, you are just as bad as any misogynist.

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𝚗𝚊𝚗𝚘𝚞˙ᵕ˙'s avatar

i have no idea what you’re on about…. i used «women» more than the word girls. stop replying to me if you have no intentions of using the last two of your braincells

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Galina Perekrestova's avatar

When you start throwing around insults, you've lost the argument.

you used girl as a synonym to women, it doesn't matter is you used «women» more, Woman and girl are not interchangeable. to assume they are, is to believe women are akin to children, that's misogyny :/

I asked why... you couldn't answer. unfortunate really.

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𝚗𝚊𝚗𝚘𝚞˙ᵕ˙'s avatar

ah yes, because nothing screams “i’m a feminist” like lecturing a woman on her word choice instead of engaging with the critique of male power. congrats on becoming the comment section’s honorary mansplainer—just in a slightly softer font.🥴

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Your argument is made in bad faith and is a classic case of the straw man fallacy.

You use semantics (the use of the word girl) to invent an imaginary claim — “women don’t have agency”— that Nanou never made.

You then battle this strawman, attempting to dismantle a fake opponent.

You offer no response to Nanou’s real claim— that misogyny wrapped in the guise of care is dangerous.

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𝚗𝚊𝚗𝚘𝚞˙ᵕ˙'s avatar

i wouldn’t bother, it’s more likely that galina is a man pretending to be a woman. they try that when everything else they are so used to reach for, fails.

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Galina Perekrestova's avatar

You’re so raped and you don’t even know it :/ God bless your heart

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Lee's avatar

Yikes

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The Poisoned Daughter 🌒's avatar

This 🎯

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Galina Perekrestova's avatar

The raped.

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RLHS's avatar

This is the reason that I am most interested in reading authors like CS Lewis and understanding my faith (Christianity). The Screwtape Letters by Lewis seems to have nailed a lot of topics of current day. This is why I take my young kids to church every Sunday and my main goal as a parent is to give them faith in God- bc I don’t know how they navigate this crazy world without it.

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shr00mbtx's avatar

Forcing your kids to believe in a magical sky daddy ain't the answer, religion is a plague, I'm not saying you should tell them to watch her raunchy ass but indoctrinating them isn't the answer either

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shr00mbtx's avatar

Yeah, don't come crying when your old ass is left alone saying "WhY wOnT mY kIdS tAlK tO mE"

Sincerely, "the left" 🤣🤣🤣

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shr00mbtx's avatar

What a weird way to think about your kids, wanting tobe their first enemy sure is crazy work

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Vanessa Gray Hurst's avatar

Exactly right! Without God, we are utterly lost. We weren’t meant to traverse this life on our own.

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RCK's avatar

Magical beings are not real. No one hovers over you. You are being scammed.

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Belgo Blax's avatar

without god YOU are lost...some of us don't require that mental construct to establish, maintain. and adapt a healthy sense of morality that agrees with the bulk of what was said by OP. I am all for YOUR faith in YOUR god to provide YOU with all the comfort and community YOU require. Leave the WE out of it. Take care.

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brother's avatar

the idea of God may temper our confusion in this life, but to me, that comfort doesn't suggest one's arrival at a truth

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Namenlos's avatar

If you like CS Lewis wait until you read Mirari Vos and Quanta Cura :-}

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Ray Knew's avatar

Better figure out how to, just in case they ever decide to drop the faith you've forced onto them.

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Ray Knew's avatar

It's almost as if we were once kids like yours and had to learn to develop morality outside of the corrupt faith we were forcefed

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Ray Knew's avatar

I'm trying to indoctrinated you by saying 1 thing in reply to an important comment you made? Oh boy. Your kids will see your Persecution complex from a mile away, if they haven't already. They're already thinking for themselves out of pure embarrassment. Thanks for leaving them an opening to break free. I truly believe God does work in mysterious ways

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Jan's avatar

You have described the exact reason I am still practicing at 73 years old. The art of psychotherapy has been hijacked by Pharma, social media, DSM labels,etc. Our current society has developed a tolerance for the absurd and outrageous at the expense of lost cohesion of simple values like kindness, compassion, respect, courtesy, and so on and so on.

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TennesseeGirl4Life's avatar

Hi-same here! I’m almost 69 and I can’t retire in good conscience. I unplugged from the system, went solo, don’t take insurance, don’t “diagnose” and try to help folks get off of psych meds if they want to (which is an absolute nightmare for most).

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Dr. Roger McFillin's avatar

You should join the Conscious Clinician Collective! We need you in our directory

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Elizabeth Edens's avatar

Is this directory something available to clients in all states? I’d like help finding a professional who isn’t taken by the system

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TennesseeGirl4Life's avatar

I will look into that. Thank you!

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Diana Everheart's avatar

But for a lot of people, these meds are lifesaving. Not only if they are suicidal, it keeps them from committing suicide, but it also can give them a quality of life and they are entitled to that

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TennesseeGirl4Life's avatar

Yes they are. If the meds are causing unpleasant side effects and a person wants psychological support while tapering (with medical supervision) they have that right.

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Dawn's avatar

“The kids these days” said with absolute disgust and disbelief is a statement made by elders since the beginning of humankind. But yet, we are still here. You might just be getting old. I know plenty of great kids including girls and young women. It’s the testosterone fueled war-mongering males that are going to get us all killed. Focus on stopping that and don’t worry too much about young people- they will find their way and end up just about like us when they are all grown up.

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Dr. Roger McFillin's avatar

Unprecedented rates of depression, anxiety, suicide in a population where it historically did not exist. Over 20% of adolescent girls taking SSRI's... this is NOT typical adolescent development and what they are exposed to (my point of the article) is a root cause factor that needs to be recognized and addressed.

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Emily Gillis's avatar

Adolescent girls haven’t been given SSRI’s (or had their mental and physical health properly researched or diagnosed) for long enough to have a generational comparison.

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Lexi's avatar

I just watched a documentary episode about people who want to get off SSRI’s…. Shook me to the core.

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Melissa Mowry's avatar

This whole essay proves that we shouldn't want our children to end up like us. The only way forward is to break this cycle of depravity and dehumanization, which I would argue, begins with those very children and the people raising them. But this is no small feat when podcasters, mainstream media, and even medical doctors have normalized the very horrors Dr. McFillin describes here. This is not the same as elders ranting about "those crazy kids listening to rock and roll." This is pornography in the hands of children. It's AI doing everything for us and removing all critical thought from our society. It's doctors dispensing SSRIs like candy. The problem is so much bigger and more complex than it's ever been, because increasingly nonhuman technology and modes of mass communication now exist to bolster and spread these messages. To throw up our hands and say "It'll all work out eventually," is to turn a blind eye to the destruction of humanity.

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Rita Skeeter's avatar

What children are exposed to by the adult world is monstrous.

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Laurel Kovacs's avatar

Actually the statistics show that the doc’s right about girls and young women - positively off the charts rates of anxiety, depression, and misogynistic gender dysphoria which many of the adults around them aid and abet. The kids are most definitely not “alright”, and we ignore the impact of this toxic culture on them at our peril.

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Rita Skeeter's avatar

Pornography has made girls feel worthless; they are overcompensating in a very destructive way. Then there is the diet that does not support hormonal balance, and stress also throws hormonal balance off, leading to emotional problems, then the docs drug 'em to shut 'em up. Children need a ton of parental input at home, can't be done when both parents work.

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David Weiner's avatar

He isn’t looking down on kids today. This is a critique of what adults are doing to kids today. Which amounts to child abuse

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TennesseeGirl4Life's avatar

Hi-holistic trauma therapist with two decades of experience. No, a lot of the kids won’t “find their way”. How do you “find your way” when your brain has marinated in chemicals since elementary school? How do you “find your way” when you realize that the experts led you down a path that utterly destroyed your body? How do you “find your way” when you realize one day that those body parts that they told you to cut off or alter or those hormones they gave you actually destroyed you?

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Rita Skeeter's avatar

Child sacrifice is not a thing of the past.

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Wendy Elizabeth Williams's avatar

Abortion.

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ExcessDeathsAU's avatar

>It’s the testosterone fueled war-mongering males that are going to get us all killed.

Tell that to the billions of children murdered in the womb and used in psycopathic scientific experimentation to fulfill people's 'wishes.'

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hv's avatar

This is a true holocaust happening all around us every day; the slaughtering of helpless children in the womb by credentialed men and women in white coats, who collect their coins and casually send generations of bereft and broken mothers off to lives of turmoil, anguish, despair. Come, Lord Jesus.

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ChrisLurks's avatar

You no idea what's coming. Your ignorance is palpable. Your indoctrination is showing through too…

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Lee's avatar
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This is the first time I have come across your writing. I understand why another commenter called it dangerous. The reason is that the message is so compelling that many will not notice its rotten core.

I do agree with with some of your cultural diagnosis. I am sympathetic to your concerns about the mental health field. I studied psychology and cognitive science in college, but never pursued a professional path. I was increasingly put off by the tendency to reduce complex human experiences into pathologies, the tendency to rely on pharmaceuticals rather than view pain as an intelligent messenger.

In my early twenties, I tried therapy. I was prescribed antidepressants. The bottle remained untouched on my shelf— it wasn’t a fit for me. I never returned. I also deleted social media around that time. Today, walking through the woods, planting tomatoes, listening to a story by a fire—are my primary strategies for mental health. I also worry about the collapse of communal structures, the erosion of the village. So I understand the desire to return to something elemental: not commodified “wellness” but well-being in the deeper sense, grounded in both personal and cultural restoration.

I also see the theater of the absurd in Call Her Daddy. When I learned Kamala Harris was a guest, I told my sister “too pure to parody.” And I agree with your condemnation of the inhumane coverage of genocide in Gaza. So I understand the feeling of living inside a simulation.

But then I noticed a comment section filled with hate— mostly aimed at women. It ranges from predictably misogynistic: “The female degeneracy is far more numerous, a more insidious problem.” To the more subtle, but dangerous: “So glad I have sons.” Why? It is no easier to raise a son than a daughter. Boys are not immune to the cultural forces contributing to a mental health crisis in young people.

Your essay laments the degradation of the “sacred feminine.” It says nothing about the erosion of the masculine. What of the men who use their power and strength not to uplift their community but to aggress, dominate, and control through intimidation and violence? Those men lead the free world. They perpetrate the very genocide you denounce. What about a culture saturated in pornography? Where boys who get hooked in middle school become men who debase and violate? What about the lesson boys receive at age 5 that vulnerability and emotional intelligence is weakness, so that the only acceptable outlet for their very human fear and pain is rage? They become men incapable of healthy relationship. Not only do they destroy the world around them — they destroy themselves.

You write that the pundits “teach our sons that violence is entertainment.” That observation is accurate but incomplete. What more do our sons learn from the culture? How does this shape the men they become? You write about mothers and girls in great detail. You do not offer a single detail about fathers or boys. You do not hesitate to call Alex Cooper by name. You don’t bother to mention toxic role models of the manosphere, like Andrew Tate. And those pundits instructing our sons — you prefer to keep them anonymous.

The selective concern for the “wayward daughter” is very revealing. The willingness to point your finger at specific women, but never a man, is very revealing. A comment section filled with sexist moralizing is very revealing. What it reveals is an ethic more concerned with enforcing “divine” hierarchy than with liberating real human beings. A moral architecture built on nostalgia rather than radical transformation.

It is not a call to mend a broken world, but a desire to impose order under the guise of spiritual renewal. It is a message of control dressed up as a message of freedom.

I fail to see the “radical” in “Radically Genuine.” To be radical is to reimagine the possibilities for our collective wholeness. It is not radical to simply swap one type of bankruptcy for another.

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Sarah May Grunwald's avatar

Yeah I'm going to wait for this guy to write about the manosphere and alpha male content that makes boys or men seem like one dimensional robots who make The Gym their personality.

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Lee's avatar

You know what, I hope he does!! And I hope he does it with insight and compassion for those men. Because they deserve role models who do not tell them that their worth is dependent on biceps, investments, biohacking, or alpha-posturing. Can you imagine men acknowledging that patriarchy also damages men? Can you imagine men demanding access to their full humanity?

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Sarah May Grunwald's avatar

They won't. They only discover women are people once they have daughters.

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Unfortunately there are many fathers who have not discovered it even then…. But seriously, if you are feeling discouraged I do recommend that interview. It is an important conversation about men, between men, that will leave you with hope

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Lee's avatar

I don’t know if you’re interested in that hypothetical article for real….but if so, check out Terri Real interview on Tim Ferris

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Sarah May Grunwald's avatar

I'm honestly at the point where I think men shouldn't be allowed to have microphones. Or if they do, they need recommendation from three women they aren't related to or fucking. And not all white women.

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Lee's avatar

Yea I understand the feeling that the manosphere is toxic, which is why I appreciate that episode for breaking the podcast mold. But I guess you’ll have to wait for two more recommendations before you can listen!

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Sarah May Grunwald's avatar

😂

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Sarah Rowand's avatar

Very well said

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Tim Dawkins's avatar

10/10 comment. After reading it I immediately clicked on your profile to see if you had a Substack of your own that I could subscribe to. Also, big fan of Terry Real, so I'm looking forward to listening to his visit to the Tim Ferris podcast.

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Thank you, I appreciate that. And would also be interested to hear your thoughts on the episode.

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Juliana Landa's avatar

Perfectly said

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Arlo's avatar

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Six's avatar

Yes, Lee. Yes! 🙌

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Maureen Christilles MS, APRN's avatar

Thanks for your perspective! I’m a Family Nurse Practitioner and I saw medicine and nursing heading in this direction 30 years ago. I had to create my own path and practice to stay out of the insanity!

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Rob Kay's avatar

You managed to get through that without mentioning assisted dying - (aka, Euthanasia).

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Katie Andraski's avatar

Well said. Thank you. Now what? How do you think we should resist? My weapons are prayer and stillness . And believing that as Christ is, so are we in this world. Who will open the scroll? The Lion of the tribe of Judah. I turned and saw a lamb that had been slaughtered. The willing victim that does not succumb to evil. The table will crack and Death itself would start working backwards.

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Dr. Roger McFillin's avatar

You are resisting!

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Katie Andraski's avatar

I hope so.

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Vanessa Gray Hurst's avatar

Amen! Christ reigns victorious over all of this.

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Katie Andraski's avatar

Yes he does. He sits in the heavens and laughs.

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Crimson's avatar

Mental health professionals have ignored the attack on everyone via internet “porn” for 20 years. It’s so beyond insane.

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Katherine's avatar

Excellent post. And oh how I can relate to this: "And somewhere in that moment, I felt a piece of my soul die."

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Crimson's avatar

Imagine trying to become the first woman President, and going on this show.

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Grass Watcher's avatar

Was somewhat on the same page until you mentioned “gender ideology”. Transgender people exist and people around the world (including children) deserve to know that it’s okay to be transgender. Transitioning changed my life for the better and I would have had a harder time coming to terms with it without having an online community. I was never able to stand up straight or feel good in my body before I accepted my identity, and there’s mountains of research to support the positive effects of gender affirming care. Admittedly, being opening transgender is difficult in a world that is so hostile to us and the community isn’t perfect (it is only human to be fallible). But there’s no denying that we exist, have always existed, and can go on to exist happily like anyone else when given half the chance. I implore you to engage with transgender thinkers on this topic, rather than discount us based on the information given to you by bad actors who are intent on scapegoating us for their own political gain.

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Lulu's avatar

We can accept that there is no one way to be a boy or girl, but telling kids they can choose to be a different sex is WRONG and a LIE. Roger is spot on in this article and there is a huge social contagion re being “trans” that has huge repercussions.

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Grass Watcher's avatar

That saddens me you feel this way and I know it’s unlikely I could change your mind. I hope you take what I’m going to say next to heart however, that it’s never too late to change. It’s never too late to abandon the path of fear and walk the path of love.

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Lulu's avatar

It is a path of love - it’s the truth. Adults of sound mind can choose what they want for themselves but we mustn’t have a society that medicalizes/sterialuzes

Children and vulnerable.

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Emily Hancock's avatar

Very good points all around in this one!

I would like to add to number 1 the way the increasingly violent and extreme imagery/themes of pornography (and OnlyFans) impacts boys and men, along with the addictive nature of it.

Also, to add to number 2, just as we have become desensitized to the tragedy of mass death, we have become desensitized to the power of birth and as an extension, infancy. Babies are born in often (not always of course) unnecessarily overly clinical, overly medical, overly sterilized ways and then go home to be left to cry themselves to sleep so they can better fit into their parent’s work schedules, have robot cradles to rock them lest their parents have to it themselves, and then go to daycare at 8 weeks old.

Not surprisingly, both of these create more opportunity for number three. Porn surely helps sell Viagra for ED, as well as antidepressants. Women with birth trauma and babies with poor attachment potentially go on to seek all sorts of pharmaceutical solutions. Not to mention those mothers on their mental health meds then prioritize that over breastfeeding and that pads the pockets of giant formula manufacturers that non-coincidentally love to use “maternal mental health” in their ads.

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"What I was witnessing wasn't random cultural evolution—it was a systematic dismantling of everything that connects us to our divine nature, our capacity for genuine love, and our potential for authentic growth."

Exactly that. A systemic ongoing, multi-layered attack on humanity. The non-human infiltration happened long long ago.

The good news is the source of this influence is running out of time (frequency bandwidths on the planet are going up, it operates at densities no longer compatible) and in their last-ditch efforts they become increasingly obvious - at least to those able to think/feel for themselves.

Under all that crud and synthetic-like layering this manufactured world has imposed over humanity, under all that the, the divine spark remains, and humans on a planet with everything they need provided, remains.

Everyone who remembers their humanity, who recognizes love is real, and that we transmit and receive frequencies, can align to higher frequencies, the Natural world and anchor them in. Thank you for doing that.

We're witnessing a series of implosions - geopolitically, financially, culturally - that have to happen before humans can re-organize, reclaim and recalibrate this planet in human friendly ways. We are here for such an amazing time. No doubt it's incredibly challenging.

We need much bigger contexts to understand what's happening.

To that end, I listened to this recently, and appreciated Heather's ability to weave in those larger contexts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAkV-NHffHE&t=3s

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Vanessa Maia's avatar

Excellent article!

People are misdiagnosing themselves to be part of a clique. I have always been irritated by medication ads on TV and lately on streaming. Recently, the ads on YouTube are mostly about ADHD! "This app is perfect for someone who has ADHD!" It looks like that if you break a fingernail, poof! You have ADHD!

I know that you mention a lot about children and adolescents, but the first part of the problem are the parents. As you mentioned in the article, parents dragging their 13-year-old to watch an adult show makes no sense to me. The new generation of parenthood have no boundaries - they just want to be the BFF of their kids, not a role model to guide their kids.

We go on Reddit and Quora, children and teens are depressed, they can't talk to their parents, because the parents are also addicted to their phones or just don't want to take the responsibility of being a parent.

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Lacey Wallace's avatar

Yes exactly to the point about parents being their child’s friend and not their parent. DANGEROUS!!

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Margaret Root's avatar

Another hugely valuable post, Roger. Oy… Depressingly true but necessary. Horrific to witness all this and yet without seeing and naming it all for what it is—evil, the mind virus that native Americans called Wetiko — we can never begin reclamation of our birthright to its antidote. If we don’t do so very soon, we threaten the extinction of humanity. Continuing this thread, I would appreciate you possibly hosting Paul Levy on your podcast. Paul is an extraordinary teacher and writer of books on Wetiko and how it is a quantum phenomenon beckoning us all to the shamanic archetype deeply encoded in the human psyche. Please look him up if you’re not already familiar with his work.

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