The story I read, reminds me so much of what I went through with my son as a teenager. He was going through I don’t honestly know, extreme anxiety, having meltdowns breaking things which he was never doing previously and that’s when the nightmare of trying to find a valid therapist to help him began.
I ended up taking my son to a total of five different therapist and not one of them would actually do anything to help him. Most of them wanted to shove medicine down his throat, as if that was the answer.
I will tell you that all five could not tell me what was actually going on with my son or help his severe anxiety. Finally, after months and months, I found a therapist that could actually tell me what was happening with my son why he was having meltdowns and actually was willing to help him without shoving pills down his throat.
All I can say is if I would have not found him, I don’t know where my son and I would be today because today he is thriving because of that therapist.
Until I had to go through the mental health system, I did not realize just how broken it was, but indeed it is broken and I don’t know if it can be repaired. This was going on when my son was 14 and he is now almost 25 years old so that tells you how long our mental health system has been broken regardless of what they try to tell you.
Everyone I talk to that has ever went through mental health or had to take their child to mental health have said the same thing as I did they just wanna shove pills down their throat instead of getting to the root cause.
Now and the wake of Covid and everybody having to stay home and everything being virtual, I feel this is only going to get worse than what it was to begin with.
I have always believed that doctors prescribe pills as their insurance will not cover them if there is a big pharma pill approved and the doctor wings it with another treatment. If the pill causes an adverse reaction then the pharma company is on the hook and not the doctor, hence making the doctor's insurer happy. The pharma company has deeper pockets. Look at all the lawsuits against Pfizer for their products that caused health issues and death.
I’m not sure how this disgusting and ridiculous belief that people become doctors to get rich was created. Yet nurses consistently rank as the most trusted profession in America. As a nurse, I can tell you it’s an undeserved title. My ER doctors are some kindness, caring, and insightful people I know. Doctors prescribe drugs for psych issues because that’s what the diagnostic & treatment algorithm suggests. It’s no different than a 600lb obese woman having a doctor prescribe medication for blood pressure, cholesterol, diabetes, joint pain, sleep apnea, depression, and arthritis. Would you question why the doctor didn’t just tell her to diet & exercise?
It is a simple result of observations I have made over the years from personal experience and reading. For example when I went to my last physical checkup my doctor denied my request for an antibody test (requires a script here) so I could see if I had natural immunity but asked if I wanted a Covid shot, flu shot, pneumonia shot and shingle shot. My stepson is very obese and blames it on psychiatric medications so his doctor suggested a prescription weight loss pill. My wife is trying to ween herself off of the 8 or so prescription drugs she was put on. Her friends have already weened themselves off of Crestor with improved health results.
Yes I agree there are ethical doctors out there such as TIF found above in comments after much searching. I am happy for her.
I have not done the research however if I did find a source for the heavy reliance by doctors on prescription drugs I expect I would find that it is insurance and licensing board driven.
It’s driven by the practical consideration of lifestyle interventions vs medications. They both work, but which one will the patient actually do? Doctors are not dietitians, physical therapists, counselors, personal trainers, accountants, or life coaches. You’re fundamentally misunderstanding their role. Doctors see sick people and their only tool is prescription drugs. People go to doctors expecting a diagnosis and drug to fix it. Doctors don’t write diets, teach you how to deal with stress, prescribe weight training programs, give physical therapy exercises for joint pain, or help you train for a marathon.
I agree, the primary tool used by doctors is prescription drugs. However as they are the sole holder of a license to practice medicine including surgery, prescribing physiotherapy, etc. it is my opinion they need to be more universal in their medical work and use or refer to other modalities when appropriate such as Chinese traditional Medicine, herbs, Chiropractic, etc. Doctors do not need to be experts in this fields, they just need to know the right approach when a patient presents with symptoms and direct them where the best answer to their problem is. No more turf wars.
A really good article. Those of us who suffer from depression and have had suicidal thoughts from time to time can truly appreciate its content. Prescription drugs, which to my mind often cause more harm than good, is the first go to for most doctors and psychiatrists.
If I recall correctly, the drug "Klonopin" was prescribed to my elder brother's girlfriend. Since my brother had been feeling slightly depressed, she suggested he partake of her script. He did, and found that it helped significantly. But soon it was found to not work any more, and so his depression became more pronounced. There was a second drug that was taken in conjunction with Kolonopin, but I cannot remember its name. They were taken together.
I got word that brother needed help with something regarding his recent relocation, and went to lend a hand. He was in terrible shape. I was worried. He had guns available, and intimated he felt like not wanting to live anymore. By the Grace of God, and through prayers received, he decided to investigate the side effects of those drugs. Found out that one side effect was "depression!" Wow! So he tapered off on them over a few days, and felt much better when they cleared his system. I was relieved, and chalked that up to my learning curve about allopathic "medicines."
So this is a story with a good ending! He's doing well now. Not all who trust the system can boast of such a happy ending as his. And I cringe with horror and exasperation when going down the long list of Dr. Mark Crispin's posts of "In memory of those who died suddenly."
Each case leaves a wake of sorrow-filled tragedy and tears. Each one is a TERRIBLE loss to us all.
May we all learn that our trust belongs to God, not to the devices and agencies of Satan.
As a former academic involved in the teaching of expressive arts therapies, I was dismayed by the gradual creeping emphasis on tick-box "competencies" over empathetic presence among professional associations, and the corresponding expectations of younger students, trained up in a sausage factory style education system, that their training should be more akin to motor repair courses (if this, do that) than person-centred therapy. In fact, introducing a self-care/personal development stream of my course was considered heretical and outside the allotted boundaries. Now I am seeing the result of such "multiple-choice-education" across lots of disciplines including medicine, which of late has been protocollized and weaponised beyond recognition. The fact the "vaccine hesitancy" is now a diagnosis warranting "mental health intervention" is a case in point. Medicine, psychiatry and psychology are unrecognisable, and the poor practitioners still caught up for their livelihoods in this hijacked system have an unenviable choice to make, unless of course they are oblivious.
I think the 'tick-box' is the future some envision for all of health care, which can be done by a robot or algorithm.
The human quality is coming out of the system, intentionally. Humans notice.
Everything pretty much has been hijacked, so everyone will face the same choice going forward. Am I going along with this, or not?
I didn't know about Vax hesitancy being a diagnosis but not at all surprised. That's highly human - someone paying attention and speaking up - and so, to the parasites, dangerous.
My sister in law is a child behavioral psychologist. PH.D from an Ivy League school. She’s been a patient her entire life for anxiety. Still in therapy and taking medication while her anxiety is terrible. Always on the verge of a “nervous breakdown”. In many conversations with her, I’ve never heard anything to suggest a basic understanding of mental health beyond calling everyone toxic, borderline, or narcissistic. I share an office with social worker/therapists. All of them became therapists from exposure as patients. They still struggle with serious disorders while seeing clients. The multiple-choice education you describe is noticeable in this group. What’s crazy is they pass around pop psychology books like The Power of NOW, The Body Keeps the Score, and The Secret raving about how much they learned.
As an Emergency Room Psych RN at an Ivy League affiliated hospital, your article is completely accurate without any exaggeration. We constantly get kids that checked a box at their pediatrician’s office about being depressed or feeling like going to sleep & not waking up. The patients always say the doctor only confirmed the responses before calling an ambulance rather than clarify the intent. Frequently they’ll report strong denials of suicidal ideation with support from parents are ignored.
Wow, I used to work volunteer on hotline crisis lines in the 70a when still a teenager with minimal training and instinctually knew better than what passes now for therapy. I used to work the night shift because that’s when people got real. Having faced my own depression already at 16 and made the decision to live (with some divine intervention) I wasn’t afraid of strong emotions.
Drugs and liability concerns have made human caring and connection a rarity.
The control freaks who used COVID to lock us up still haven't permitted school playgrounds in my county to reopen. A friend and I are walking a petition around to get them open. Stuff like that is part of the alienation that's killing people.. The rat bastards who shoved the COVID protocol down our throats want to maintain their control and are fighting the loss of it.
Good grief! I shudder to think what will go on in your county when they roll out the next “current thing” this fall. I read this morning the WHO is “worrying about” (aka “planning”) a more deadly reoccurrence of monkeypox. I guess the masses aren’t sufficiently worried about (pink eye causing) bird flu!
I know. And we have a "crisis" of childhood depression no one seems to take responsibility for. Kids are isolated. At least in my neighborhood they play in the streets. The covidiots are ok with that.
Things have changed so much since the 80s. I saw a psychiatrist for the better part of six years and though she was a Freudian, she soon saw that BS didn't work with me so she tried Jung and it was what I, a pagan atheist at the time, needed. It was all talk therapy, once a week, and not cheap, but I was working and knew somehow she was a true gift. She gave me back myself, something lost in a childhood of divorce, alcoholic parents, sexual molestation by a family member, then really bad choices on my part as an adult. She listened, she was brilliant, she saved me.
Pills were not used. Now they are the default treatment. I'd step in front of oncoming traffic before I'd go to a "mental health professional". But I'm a Catholic now and the sacrament of confession is healing.
Another way these psych hospitalizations harm youth: Youth are thrown into group and individual therapy sessions with "therapists" (often poorly trained social workers) who know nothing about the teen's background, mental and physical health history, or the context in which the young person got there. Even if they have scant background information, they don't have the time to read it or to have any sort of meaningful thought about it as they deal with a revolving door of teens moving in and out of the hospital and their groups. So during a time when these teens are at their most vulnerable, most dysregulated, and most unstable, these "therapists," doctors, and nurses - who often have a heavy dose of contempt for these teens and their challenging behaviors they lack the skills to effectively manage - are adding more confusion, more relationship disruption, and more pathologizing ideas about what these kids are experiencing. Then they send these kids home without the parents knowing anything about what happened in these "therapy sessions." The kids are even more unstable and traumatized than before, they've been over-medicated and even more pathologized, and parents are even more alone and less informed about what is going on with their child and how to actually help. It's malpractice.
I did link to a paper and it is working for me. Although- I could do an entire article on this subject- so 1 paper is not very sufficient. Think through it logically- someone is suicidal- goes into a hospital short term - cold, sterile environment where many people report the experience to be traumatic, placed on drugs proven to increase suicide risk, returned back to the environment where they became suicidal in the first place- in all likelihood the original problems/ difficulties not faced or the person not supported to face and solve them.
Thank you. I'm not sure why when I clicked on the link it said it was "invalid."
The experience of how hospitalizations cause more harm and trauma is, unfortunately, not something I have to imagine as a logical thought exercise. We loved it repeatedly exactly as you described with our child. We tried to work with the hospitals and were pushed away and told we were expecting too much. I tried to talk to our state rep. She said they all knew about these problems and that the hospitals were subpar and harming youth. She suggested I sue them (lots of reasons that can't/won't happen). I have tried talking to the doctors and hospitals about these problems. I even showed them one study showing how suicide risk increased after release from these acute stays that are supposed to stabilize (perhaps it's the same study you linked and I couldn't open for some reason?). I can't get anyone to listen or care about this problem
McFillin's otherwise excellent article does he mention the words "clinical psychologist." I'm not sure why not, because he is one. As a retired clinical psychologist myself, I would whole-heartedly recommend most clinical psychologists who perform drug-free, hospital-free psychotherapy, as long as they do not have a psychiatrist involved in their practice.
It was a PhD clinical psychologist who created a world of problems for my daughter, including hospitals and meds and introducing her to ideas like self-harm, then decided her case was too hard for her and referred us to a very unqualified, ideological LCSW. Of course, "not all clinical psychologists," but my distrust for this entire field runs deep for good reasons.
Yeah, I suspect she was a rookie and working with psychiatrists. I agree, don't paint everyone with the same brush. She doesn't represent the "entire field". As I said, the psychologist should work in a drug-free, hospital-free practice, without psychiatrists involved. Referring someone to a lesser trained person is the wrong decision.
You might find Peter Breggin's book "Your Drug May Be Your Problem" very helpful. He exposes psych meds for what they are: suicide and homicide inducing money makers for pharma.
I was severly depressed, and the main caue was found to be food allergies, of all things. Eliminating the allergic foods eliminated the depression. How many psychiatrists even consider food allergies - which are very, very common in young people in medical vaxopolies such as the US and Austrailia due to excessive vaccination - let alone look for them first?
A psychiatrist once told me a basic cause of psychosis was ruminating or repeating the same thoughts until the pathways became self firing. She said antipsychotic drugs just befuddle the brain so it is incapable of thoughts. As alternative she suggested force of will and CBT - force yourself to think about how rumination is dangerous and have a self talk about stopping it until the pathways weaken.
The so called internet awareness of mental health merely made things worse. That is because more awareness was not needed because people have always been aware of difference (the other) and human suffering. What was needed is more acceptance of difference and compassion in suffering. There has been none of that. Now we have endless people who have been brainwashed to believe that anxiety is an illness when it is a normal and necessary part of being human.
I just listened to episode "145. Privacy Violations & Forced Psychiatric Detentions with Rob Wipond" and I am furious. My wife quite likes your podcast, so on her behalf I will assume you must have been duped by your guest. But I owe you an introduction.
I was one of the first five people hired for 988 in my state due to my skills and experience. I helped to build and test the software, I developed the training protocol and trained hundreds of workers, and I have taken thousands of calls. I have sat in daily meetings with the state and Vibrant and had countless contacts with them. I know how 988 works for our state, and it is not at all as portrayed in your podcast.
I do know the answers to the questions that your guest said were not answered, and they are not nefarious as alleged.
I can cite numerous examples of terrible conflation in the show's content, but let me give you perhaps one of the most obvious: you seem to indicate that one reason why a person might not want to call 988 is because then you might not be allowed to cross the US/Canadian border, and cite instances where the province of Ontario refined their legislation as a result. Ontario is a province, in Canada, which is a different country, with different laws. Hence the border. 988 does take some calls from Canadians (I have taken some myself), but to my knowledge these calls are not reported to foreign governments; nor are they reported to border patrol in the US. I find this story alone is irrelevant to 988 and potentially damaging to those in need of urgent help; you might as well have said to stay in the closet because homosexuality is a capital offense. In Uganda.
In my state, all of our workers are professionals. Per Vibrant guidelines, there are no "volunteers" deciding to involuntary commit someone. All contacts with 911 require authorization from a clinical professional with a masters degree. And the reason why first responders do not get access to the "recordings" of our calls (other than that they do not exist) is that not only would listening to calls significantly slow down response times, but it would be a huge invasion of privacy for vulnerable people. The fire department needs to know about the fire, not the relationship history of the person that set it.
I held you in high regard and it is sad to see this type of content on your platform.
I would be more than open to you coming on the Radically Genuine Podcast to share your thoughts. I am the host- and when an investigative journalist does the work and gathers the data- we are having the conversation. Additionally, there are a number of things he said that have been experienced by people I have spoken to- so I can confirm. But I am open to another side. I also cross referenced statistics- which are valid. You can contact me through drmcfillin.com
Hole in one. The same holds true for the approach to physical symptoms. If you forego conventional treatment, most often you will lose family support and receive blame for not complying with a pharma based medical system. There are outliers of course, we do need surgeries at times, although according to your conversation with the Australian surgeon Ian Davis, far less then recommended. The whole system is a machine with an approach of treatment as though people were machines. No healing can occur from such a foundational error. If you are depressed, with suicidal ideation, from suffering from intense physical pain and mention your emotional state to a doctor, any doctor they must report you for psyche evaluation. Downward spiral from there. So, I think the world is waking up to a medical paradigm that is disastrous. Many do not need convincing. What we need desperately is real help rooted in a 'healing' approach to suffering, not suppression.
The story I read, reminds me so much of what I went through with my son as a teenager. He was going through I don’t honestly know, extreme anxiety, having meltdowns breaking things which he was never doing previously and that’s when the nightmare of trying to find a valid therapist to help him began.
I ended up taking my son to a total of five different therapist and not one of them would actually do anything to help him. Most of them wanted to shove medicine down his throat, as if that was the answer.
I will tell you that all five could not tell me what was actually going on with my son or help his severe anxiety. Finally, after months and months, I found a therapist that could actually tell me what was happening with my son why he was having meltdowns and actually was willing to help him without shoving pills down his throat.
All I can say is if I would have not found him, I don’t know where my son and I would be today because today he is thriving because of that therapist.
Until I had to go through the mental health system, I did not realize just how broken it was, but indeed it is broken and I don’t know if it can be repaired. This was going on when my son was 14 and he is now almost 25 years old so that tells you how long our mental health system has been broken regardless of what they try to tell you.
Everyone I talk to that has ever went through mental health or had to take their child to mental health have said the same thing as I did they just wanna shove pills down their throat instead of getting to the root cause.
Now and the wake of Covid and everybody having to stay home and everything being virtual, I feel this is only going to get worse than what it was to begin with.
All I can say is God help us all!
I am glad he finally found someone who could help
I have always believed that doctors prescribe pills as their insurance will not cover them if there is a big pharma pill approved and the doctor wings it with another treatment. If the pill causes an adverse reaction then the pharma company is on the hook and not the doctor, hence making the doctor's insurer happy. The pharma company has deeper pockets. Look at all the lawsuits against Pfizer for their products that caused health issues and death.
I’m not sure how this disgusting and ridiculous belief that people become doctors to get rich was created. Yet nurses consistently rank as the most trusted profession in America. As a nurse, I can tell you it’s an undeserved title. My ER doctors are some kindness, caring, and insightful people I know. Doctors prescribe drugs for psych issues because that’s what the diagnostic & treatment algorithm suggests. It’s no different than a 600lb obese woman having a doctor prescribe medication for blood pressure, cholesterol, diabetes, joint pain, sleep apnea, depression, and arthritis. Would you question why the doctor didn’t just tell her to diet & exercise?
It is a simple result of observations I have made over the years from personal experience and reading. For example when I went to my last physical checkup my doctor denied my request for an antibody test (requires a script here) so I could see if I had natural immunity but asked if I wanted a Covid shot, flu shot, pneumonia shot and shingle shot. My stepson is very obese and blames it on psychiatric medications so his doctor suggested a prescription weight loss pill. My wife is trying to ween herself off of the 8 or so prescription drugs she was put on. Her friends have already weened themselves off of Crestor with improved health results.
Yes I agree there are ethical doctors out there such as TIF found above in comments after much searching. I am happy for her.
I have not done the research however if I did find a source for the heavy reliance by doctors on prescription drugs I expect I would find that it is insurance and licensing board driven.
It’s driven by the practical consideration of lifestyle interventions vs medications. They both work, but which one will the patient actually do? Doctors are not dietitians, physical therapists, counselors, personal trainers, accountants, or life coaches. You’re fundamentally misunderstanding their role. Doctors see sick people and their only tool is prescription drugs. People go to doctors expecting a diagnosis and drug to fix it. Doctors don’t write diets, teach you how to deal with stress, prescribe weight training programs, give physical therapy exercises for joint pain, or help you train for a marathon.
I agree, the primary tool used by doctors is prescription drugs. However as they are the sole holder of a license to practice medicine including surgery, prescribing physiotherapy, etc. it is my opinion they need to be more universal in their medical work and use or refer to other modalities when appropriate such as Chinese traditional Medicine, herbs, Chiropractic, etc. Doctors do not need to be experts in this fields, they just need to know the right approach when a patient presents with symptoms and direct them where the best answer to their problem is. No more turf wars.
A really good article. Those of us who suffer from depression and have had suicidal thoughts from time to time can truly appreciate its content. Prescription drugs, which to my mind often cause more harm than good, is the first go to for most doctors and psychiatrists.
If I recall correctly, the drug "Klonopin" was prescribed to my elder brother's girlfriend. Since my brother had been feeling slightly depressed, she suggested he partake of her script. He did, and found that it helped significantly. But soon it was found to not work any more, and so his depression became more pronounced. There was a second drug that was taken in conjunction with Kolonopin, but I cannot remember its name. They were taken together.
I got word that brother needed help with something regarding his recent relocation, and went to lend a hand. He was in terrible shape. I was worried. He had guns available, and intimated he felt like not wanting to live anymore. By the Grace of God, and through prayers received, he decided to investigate the side effects of those drugs. Found out that one side effect was "depression!" Wow! So he tapered off on them over a few days, and felt much better when they cleared his system. I was relieved, and chalked that up to my learning curve about allopathic "medicines."
So this is a story with a good ending! He's doing well now. Not all who trust the system can boast of such a happy ending as his. And I cringe with horror and exasperation when going down the long list of Dr. Mark Crispin's posts of "In memory of those who died suddenly."
Each case leaves a wake of sorrow-filled tragedy and tears. Each one is a TERRIBLE loss to us all.
May we all learn that our trust belongs to God, not to the devices and agencies of Satan.
r
Thank you Dr. McFillin. Cross-posted to my readers.
Thanks for sharing this very timely article!
You are most welcome. Dr M is a treasure.
For any of my readers dropping by from outside of Australia, the dedication in my cross post was to Dieter Brummer, a fine Australian who suicided during covid lockdowns in Sydney. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9841931/Home-Away-Dieter-Brummer-Shane-Parrish-dead-Covid-Sydney-lockdown.html
And thanks for that, Excess. :-)
(Another one of my favorite substacks!)
As a former academic involved in the teaching of expressive arts therapies, I was dismayed by the gradual creeping emphasis on tick-box "competencies" over empathetic presence among professional associations, and the corresponding expectations of younger students, trained up in a sausage factory style education system, that their training should be more akin to motor repair courses (if this, do that) than person-centred therapy. In fact, introducing a self-care/personal development stream of my course was considered heretical and outside the allotted boundaries. Now I am seeing the result of such "multiple-choice-education" across lots of disciplines including medicine, which of late has been protocollized and weaponised beyond recognition. The fact the "vaccine hesitancy" is now a diagnosis warranting "mental health intervention" is a case in point. Medicine, psychiatry and psychology are unrecognisable, and the poor practitioners still caught up for their livelihoods in this hijacked system have an unenviable choice to make, unless of course they are oblivious.
I think the 'tick-box' is the future some envision for all of health care, which can be done by a robot or algorithm.
The human quality is coming out of the system, intentionally. Humans notice.
Everything pretty much has been hijacked, so everyone will face the same choice going forward. Am I going along with this, or not?
I didn't know about Vax hesitancy being a diagnosis but not at all surprised. That's highly human - someone paying attention and speaking up - and so, to the parasites, dangerous.
Astounding times.
We must resist
Yes, we must.
"That's highly human - someone paying attention and speaking up - and so, to the parasites, dangerous."
Great words. The parasites fear this. We should make them have good reason.
My sister in law is a child behavioral psychologist. PH.D from an Ivy League school. She’s been a patient her entire life for anxiety. Still in therapy and taking medication while her anxiety is terrible. Always on the verge of a “nervous breakdown”. In many conversations with her, I’ve never heard anything to suggest a basic understanding of mental health beyond calling everyone toxic, borderline, or narcissistic. I share an office with social worker/therapists. All of them became therapists from exposure as patients. They still struggle with serious disorders while seeing clients. The multiple-choice education you describe is noticeable in this group. What’s crazy is they pass around pop psychology books like The Power of NOW, The Body Keeps the Score, and The Secret raving about how much they learned.
As an Emergency Room Psych RN at an Ivy League affiliated hospital, your article is completely accurate without any exaggeration. We constantly get kids that checked a box at their pediatrician’s office about being depressed or feeling like going to sleep & not waking up. The patients always say the doctor only confirmed the responses before calling an ambulance rather than clarify the intent. Frequently they’ll report strong denials of suicidal ideation with support from parents are ignored.
So good. Thank you.
Wow, I used to work volunteer on hotline crisis lines in the 70a when still a teenager with minimal training and instinctually knew better than what passes now for therapy. I used to work the night shift because that’s when people got real. Having faced my own depression already at 16 and made the decision to live (with some divine intervention) I wasn’t afraid of strong emotions.
Drugs and liability concerns have made human caring and connection a rarity.
The control freaks who used COVID to lock us up still haven't permitted school playgrounds in my county to reopen. A friend and I are walking a petition around to get them open. Stuff like that is part of the alienation that's killing people.. The rat bastards who shoved the COVID protocol down our throats want to maintain their control and are fighting the loss of it.
Good grief! I shudder to think what will go on in your county when they roll out the next “current thing” this fall. I read this morning the WHO is “worrying about” (aka “planning”) a more deadly reoccurrence of monkeypox. I guess the masses aren’t sufficiently worried about (pink eye causing) bird flu!
That is shocking. Poor children.
I know. And we have a "crisis" of childhood depression no one seems to take responsibility for. Kids are isolated. At least in my neighborhood they play in the streets. The covidiots are ok with that.
Things have changed so much since the 80s. I saw a psychiatrist for the better part of six years and though she was a Freudian, she soon saw that BS didn't work with me so she tried Jung and it was what I, a pagan atheist at the time, needed. It was all talk therapy, once a week, and not cheap, but I was working and knew somehow she was a true gift. She gave me back myself, something lost in a childhood of divorce, alcoholic parents, sexual molestation by a family member, then really bad choices on my part as an adult. She listened, she was brilliant, she saved me.
Pills were not used. Now they are the default treatment. I'd step in front of oncoming traffic before I'd go to a "mental health professional". But I'm a Catholic now and the sacrament of confession is healing.
Another way these psych hospitalizations harm youth: Youth are thrown into group and individual therapy sessions with "therapists" (often poorly trained social workers) who know nothing about the teen's background, mental and physical health history, or the context in which the young person got there. Even if they have scant background information, they don't have the time to read it or to have any sort of meaningful thought about it as they deal with a revolving door of teens moving in and out of the hospital and their groups. So during a time when these teens are at their most vulnerable, most dysregulated, and most unstable, these "therapists," doctors, and nurses - who often have a heavy dose of contempt for these teens and their challenging behaviors they lack the skills to effectively manage - are adding more confusion, more relationship disruption, and more pathologizing ideas about what these kids are experiencing. Then they send these kids home without the parents knowing anything about what happened in these "therapy sessions." The kids are even more unstable and traumatized than before, they've been over-medicated and even more pathologized, and parents are even more alone and less informed about what is going on with their child and how to actually help. It's malpractice.
This is exactly what we experienced with our daughter. Thank you for speaking out on this.
A request: can you provide a working link to the study this sentence is supposed to link to? I'd really like to read it
"Ironically, within academic circles, it's widely acknowledged that these very interventions may increase the likelihood of suicide."
I did link to a paper and it is working for me. Although- I could do an entire article on this subject- so 1 paper is not very sufficient. Think through it logically- someone is suicidal- goes into a hospital short term - cold, sterile environment where many people report the experience to be traumatic, placed on drugs proven to increase suicide risk, returned back to the environment where they became suicidal in the first place- in all likelihood the original problems/ difficulties not faced or the person not supported to face and solve them.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9650354/#:~:text=Høyer%20et%20al.,who%20have%20never%20been%20hospitalized.
Thank you. I'm not sure why when I clicked on the link it said it was "invalid."
The experience of how hospitalizations cause more harm and trauma is, unfortunately, not something I have to imagine as a logical thought exercise. We loved it repeatedly exactly as you described with our child. We tried to work with the hospitals and were pushed away and told we were expecting too much. I tried to talk to our state rep. She said they all knew about these problems and that the hospitals were subpar and harming youth. She suggested I sue them (lots of reasons that can't/won't happen). I have tried talking to the doctors and hospitals about these problems. I even showed them one study showing how suicide risk increased after release from these acute stays that are supposed to stabilize (perhaps it's the same study you linked and I couldn't open for some reason?). I can't get anyone to listen or care about this problem
I would love an entire article. This issue needs to be better known and understood
Nowhere in Dr
McFillin's otherwise excellent article does he mention the words "clinical psychologist." I'm not sure why not, because he is one. As a retired clinical psychologist myself, I would whole-heartedly recommend most clinical psychologists who perform drug-free, hospital-free psychotherapy, as long as they do not have a psychiatrist involved in their practice.
It was a PhD clinical psychologist who created a world of problems for my daughter, including hospitals and meds and introducing her to ideas like self-harm, then decided her case was too hard for her and referred us to a very unqualified, ideological LCSW. Of course, "not all clinical psychologists," but my distrust for this entire field runs deep for good reasons.
Yeah, I suspect she was a rookie and working with psychiatrists. I agree, don't paint everyone with the same brush. She doesn't represent the "entire field". As I said, the psychologist should work in a drug-free, hospital-free practice, without psychiatrists involved. Referring someone to a lesser trained person is the wrong decision.
You might find Peter Breggin's book "Your Drug May Be Your Problem" very helpful. He exposes psych meds for what they are: suicide and homicide inducing money makers for pharma.
I was severly depressed, and the main caue was found to be food allergies, of all things. Eliminating the allergic foods eliminated the depression. How many psychiatrists even consider food allergies - which are very, very common in young people in medical vaxopolies such as the US and Austrailia due to excessive vaccination - let alone look for them first?
A psychiatrist once told me a basic cause of psychosis was ruminating or repeating the same thoughts until the pathways became self firing. She said antipsychotic drugs just befuddle the brain so it is incapable of thoughts. As alternative she suggested force of will and CBT - force yourself to think about how rumination is dangerous and have a self talk about stopping it until the pathways weaken.
the old USSR would label radicals as "mentally unbalanced" and thereby neutralize any threat of new ideas entering the mainstream.
The so called internet awareness of mental health merely made things worse. That is because more awareness was not needed because people have always been aware of difference (the other) and human suffering. What was needed is more acceptance of difference and compassion in suffering. There has been none of that. Now we have endless people who have been brainwashed to believe that anxiety is an illness when it is a normal and necessary part of being human.
I just listened to episode "145. Privacy Violations & Forced Psychiatric Detentions with Rob Wipond" and I am furious. My wife quite likes your podcast, so on her behalf I will assume you must have been duped by your guest. But I owe you an introduction.
I was one of the first five people hired for 988 in my state due to my skills and experience. I helped to build and test the software, I developed the training protocol and trained hundreds of workers, and I have taken thousands of calls. I have sat in daily meetings with the state and Vibrant and had countless contacts with them. I know how 988 works for our state, and it is not at all as portrayed in your podcast.
I do know the answers to the questions that your guest said were not answered, and they are not nefarious as alleged.
I can cite numerous examples of terrible conflation in the show's content, but let me give you perhaps one of the most obvious: you seem to indicate that one reason why a person might not want to call 988 is because then you might not be allowed to cross the US/Canadian border, and cite instances where the province of Ontario refined their legislation as a result. Ontario is a province, in Canada, which is a different country, with different laws. Hence the border. 988 does take some calls from Canadians (I have taken some myself), but to my knowledge these calls are not reported to foreign governments; nor are they reported to border patrol in the US. I find this story alone is irrelevant to 988 and potentially damaging to those in need of urgent help; you might as well have said to stay in the closet because homosexuality is a capital offense. In Uganda.
In my state, all of our workers are professionals. Per Vibrant guidelines, there are no "volunteers" deciding to involuntary commit someone. All contacts with 911 require authorization from a clinical professional with a masters degree. And the reason why first responders do not get access to the "recordings" of our calls (other than that they do not exist) is that not only would listening to calls significantly slow down response times, but it would be a huge invasion of privacy for vulnerable people. The fire department needs to know about the fire, not the relationship history of the person that set it.
I held you in high regard and it is sad to see this type of content on your platform.
I would be more than open to you coming on the Radically Genuine Podcast to share your thoughts. I am the host- and when an investigative journalist does the work and gathers the data- we are having the conversation. Additionally, there are a number of things he said that have been experienced by people I have spoken to- so I can confirm. But I am open to another side. I also cross referenced statistics- which are valid. You can contact me through drmcfillin.com
Hole in one. The same holds true for the approach to physical symptoms. If you forego conventional treatment, most often you will lose family support and receive blame for not complying with a pharma based medical system. There are outliers of course, we do need surgeries at times, although according to your conversation with the Australian surgeon Ian Davis, far less then recommended. The whole system is a machine with an approach of treatment as though people were machines. No healing can occur from such a foundational error. If you are depressed, with suicidal ideation, from suffering from intense physical pain and mention your emotional state to a doctor, any doctor they must report you for psyche evaluation. Downward spiral from there. So, I think the world is waking up to a medical paradigm that is disastrous. Many do not need convincing. What we need desperately is real help rooted in a 'healing' approach to suffering, not suppression.