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I was depressed for over 20 years and whatever the cause of your depression and the validity of it, once you are on anti depressants it feels like your mind is floating in cotton wool clouds and you become a Zombie, you don't have any personal charisma, you don't have any real feelings anymore for yourself, or anyone else, you are cold, emotionless and uncaring of others, you get up, drift through each day and go to bed in this mindless, Zombie like existence, happy, yes, I would call it happy, but you can't be creative or inspired, because your motions are suppressed by the tablets or medication you are taking and it is a bastard to break free and become what you once were, before anti depressants.

After 20 years, I reached a point in time where my life had improved for the better and I decided I wanted to come off the depressive tablets, which my doctor warned me not to do - but I'm not very good at doing what I'm told, I refused to have any Covid vaccines for much the same reason and I have my free salt water cure which I hope all of you have too now, for your next viral infection, but if not, ask me and I'll post it here - you know, there is "one" in every crowd and that's me.

There was a guy who was on the same tablets as me in America and his Psych had him on a stronger dose than me and then one day this "Quack" stopped his anti-depressive tablets dead and the guy went off and bought himself a rifle, scope and a lot of bullets, went up a tower and killed a lot of people in the square below - when he went up before the Beak (Judge) he was asked why he did what he did.

By then he had come off the effects of the anti depressant tablets he was on and he said he had no idea, because he was a peaceable guy and would not hurt a fly, but he got sentenced to life in prison - but I know why, it was because his Psych took him off the tablets dead, without any slow down period for his mind to adapt to not being on the anti depressant tablets anymore - which I taught myself how to do and I share it with you here:

Reduce the tablets you are on by 1/4 of a tablet, once a week, until you are off them altogether - if you feel yourself slipping, go back on the full dose immediately and try again a few weeks later and eventually, you will be able to get off them altogether, without fucking up your mind in the process, like the guy above and what he did.

You will be very emotionally fragile and expect that, but you will start to live your life again and take pleasure in the simple things you see about you and the people you meet - I got off my anti depressant tablets in 2012 and I've been off them ever since and I'm a mentally tough guy, but I still burst into tears for no reason and I like to think I am able to show my feelings easier and I'm not ashamed of myself when I do, I think I have a gift, because of it.

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I don't doubt the annoying victim mentality many seem to have and that you've described so well (seems to be women more than men that adopt this whole mental illness identity used as a defense for everything imaginable) but it doesn't help us answer the fundamental question of whether depression is biological or 'psychological', which I consider to be absolutely fundamental. The hellscape that is the mental health industry is something people get caught up in only once they have an existing problem. People in good health won't go anywhere near it, won't seek 'help' and won't be susceptible to any of the mind games played by actors within this industry.

The psychologist Dorothy Rowe said adopting the biological model of depression was convenient because it meant you didn't have to take responsibility for anything. The flipside of that weird sentiment is a radical form of self responsibility that lets every toxic thing we are subjected to (and there are so many now!) that damages humans off the hook and puts the onus on the individual to improve their lot purely by willpower and whatever absurd suggestions people like her recommended (she suggested mimicking the behavior of happy people which still seems a popular idea) . This is approximately insane, not to mention utterly abusive.

If the sum of your knowledge about biology comes from psychiatry then you'll throw the baby out with the bathwater. A look at the literature through a different philosophical lens paints a different picture. Depression and anxiety are problems of metabolic disturbance, problems of energy. The learned helplessness model used to test anti-depressant compounds is a good demonstration of this, essentially a complete exhaustion. It's reversal with active thyroid is good proof of an energy suppression (SSRI's 'work' by mimicry of our natural hormones).

Look at the publications on 'covid' injections- a startling increase in the risk of various mental disorders. But the mental illness industry has successfully separated 'mental health' from the rest of our health, so to many it seems strange that injecting toxic substances into people could ever cause depression, anxiety, psychosis. It isn't, when you stop believing the brain is somehow isolated from the rest of the body and plays no role in emotion and wellbeing.

A purely psycho-social model of depression is just more psychology. Nobody thinks their way into depression so nobody can think their way out of it. These problems are caused by environments that damage people's health in a multitude of ways- exposure to inappropriate pharmaceuticals and 'tests', industrial pollution, a degraded food supply, broken family lives, demolished communities, authoritarian schooling, demoralizing employment, maternal stress, health of the parents at the time of conception.

Time to ditch this cancerous dualism that psychology has thrust on us that tells that our attitudes are easily exchangeable rather than being a reflection of our health, that our feelings are something to largely ignore when they are prime indicators of things going on in our body. Biological studies show us that it is the high metabolic rate that provides resistance to stress, to aging and makes us highly creative and happy beings. Psychologists should be relegated to empathetic listening and social critiques otherwise they are just running a distraction for the people who are systematically poisoning the population.

A model of depression etc that is dependent on health provides the opportunity to consider everything that could negatively affect it and everything that could positively support it: our relationships, economic matters, our homes, our food, our work and intelligent supplementation of hormones, vitamins, light and safe drugs (there are a few!) as therapy, where necessary.

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